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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767#comment-32049</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your concern. For what it's worth, I think it's a great photo and I can see why you doctored it. Most of the time I just enhance the photo with sharpening and contrast, etc. I don't have graphics skills like you do, or I'd likely be doctoring my photos, too.

&lt;em&gt;Karl's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/260310697/schwinging-from-the-chandaliers.html'&gt;Schwinging From the Chandaliers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your concern. For what it&#8217;s worth, I think it&#8217;s a great photo and I can see why you doctored it. Most of the time I just enhance the photo with sharpening and contrast, etc. I don&#8217;t have graphics skills like you do, or I&#8217;d likely be doctoring my photos, too.</p>
<p><em>Karl&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/260310697/schwinging-from-the-chandaliers.html'>Schwinging From the Chandaliers</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: bon bon</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767#comment-32048</link>
		<dc:creator>bon bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i try to take Angie's point to heart. if it could've easily been done prior to photoshop, cropping, dodge &#38; burn, etc. it's fair game. and you could've achieved that with the zebra shot without moving him. the composition may not have been as perfect as you wanted, but you would have a photo you took as opposed to generated.

that said, i'm never anything but original...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/

&lt;em&gt;bon bon's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://phantom-kitty.blogspot.com/2008/03/seriously.html'&gt;seriously?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i try to take Angie&#8217;s point to heart. if it could&#8217;ve easily been done prior to photoshop, cropping, dodge &amp; burn, etc. it&#8217;s fair game. and you could&#8217;ve achieved that with the zebra shot without moving him. the composition may not have been as perfect as you wanted, but you would have a photo you took as opposed to generated.</p>
<p>that said, i&#8217;m never anything but original&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/" >http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/</a></p>
<p><em>bon bon&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://phantom-kitty.blogspot.com/2008/03/seriously.html'>seriously?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Ed (zoesdad)</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767#comment-32031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed (zoesdad)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Jeff's idea of a disclaimer.  There's a line there and I suppose I've always been a purist.  I've tried some photoshop stuff but 1) I've got an old/cheap version and 2) My results are similar to what Whit described (scissors and paste) and 3) I suppose my strongest argument against too much editing--I ain't got the time!

&lt;em&gt;Ed (zoesdad)'s last blog post..&lt;a href='http://zoesdad.com/2008/03/28/alright-already--ill-feed-the-birds.aspx'&gt;Alright, Already!  I'll Feed the Birds!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Jeff&#8217;s idea of a disclaimer.  There&#8217;s a line there and I suppose I&#8217;ve always been a purist.  I&#8217;ve tried some photoshop stuff but 1) I&#8217;ve got an old/cheap version and 2) My results are similar to what Whit described (scissors and paste) and 3) I suppose my strongest argument against too much editing&#8211;I ain&#8217;t got the time!</p>
<p><em>Ed (zoesdad)&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://zoesdad.com/2008/03/28/alright-already--ill-feed-the-birds.aspx'>Alright, Already!  I&#8217;ll Feed the Birds!!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Above Average Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Above Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can imagine, I been stimulating myself alot lately, too.

Maybe you don't want to imagine that, sorry.

&lt;em&gt;Above Average Joe's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://averagejoe762.blogspot.com/2008/03/kicking-man-while-hes-down.html'&gt;Kicking A Man While He's Down&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can imagine, I been stimulating myself alot lately, too.</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t want to imagine that, sorry.</p>
<p><em>Above Average Joe&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://averagejoe762.blogspot.com/2008/03/kicking-man-while-hes-down.html'>Kicking A Man While He&#8217;s Down</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Gabriella</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767#comment-32021</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by my site earlier.  You are right keeping the house neat &#38; tidy for buyers is agony!! 

I absolutely love your photos, you take wonderful pictures.  It's something I always wish I could do better, but I suppose I'd have to buy a decent camera first ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by my site earlier.  You are right keeping the house neat &amp; tidy for buyers is agony!! </p>
<p>I absolutely love your photos, you take wonderful pictures.  It&#8217;s something I always wish I could do better, but I suppose I&#8217;d have to buy a decent camera first ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Karen MEG (Pomtini)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen MEG (Pomtini)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful photo. 

You raise a very good question.  I suppose it all depends on what context you're presenting your photo/art.  There is very little these days that is unedited, untouched, truly natural.

But self-stimulation, totally natural.

&lt;em&gt;Karen MEG (Pomtini)'s last blog post..&lt;a href='http://gliks.blogspot.com/2008/03/fashion-friday-haiku.html'&gt;Fashion Friday - Haiku&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful photo. </p>
<p>You raise a very good question.  I suppose it all depends on what context you&#8217;re presenting your photo/art.  There is very little these days that is unedited, untouched, truly natural.</p>
<p>But self-stimulation, totally natural.</p>
<p><em>Karen MEG (Pomtini)&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://gliks.blogspot.com/2008/03/fashion-friday-haiku.html'>Fashion Friday - Haiku</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how my 365 has prompted, at least in part, two separate bloggers to post in the span of one day (Check out http://zoesdad.com ) for the other....

I agree with much of what was said here.  I didn't even have photoshop until a few weeks ago, and now I am tempted to do more than I should with my photos.

My recent photo of a goldfinch at my backyard feeder was straightened (I had to hurry the picture as the little critters always fly away when I take the camera out!) and I had no issue with that.  I have tweaked color and such a bit here and there otherwise but not much more.  I did a couple selective color shots, but those are very obvious that they have been altered so it's not like anyone is getting tricked.

All in all, unless you are specifically presenting something as an unaltered shot I say fair game, but there is definitely a line where something becomes more than a photo.  Not that it's a necessarily a bad thing.

&lt;em&gt;PG's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/annoyinglyboring/~3/259408523/' rel="nofollow"&gt;Project 365 // Day 55&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how my 365 has prompted, at least in part, two separate bloggers to post in the span of one day (Check out <a href="http://zoesdad.com" >http://zoesdad.com</a> ) for the other&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree with much of what was said here.  I didn&#8217;t even have photoshop until a few weeks ago, and now I am tempted to do more than I should with my photos.</p>
<p>My recent photo of a goldfinch at my backyard feeder was straightened (I had to hurry the picture as the little critters always fly away when I take the camera out!) and I had no issue with that.  I have tweaked color and such a bit here and there otherwise but not much more.  I did a couple selective color shots, but those are very obvious that they have been altered so it&#8217;s not like anyone is getting tricked.</p>
<p>All in all, unless you are specifically presenting something as an unaltered shot I say fair game, but there is definitely a line where something becomes more than a photo.  Not that it&#8217;s a necessarily a bad thing.</p>
<p><em>PG&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/annoyinglyboring/~3/259408523/' >Project 365 // Day 55</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Xbox4NappyRash</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767#comment-32004</link>
		<dc:creator>Xbox4NappyRash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firstly Oli... have you thought about this much?

for me bottom line is if you have to use the 'Paste' function, it ain't no photograph.

cropping, zooming, even lighting at a stretch, but beyond that, it's creating other art, not photography. In my bewildered opinion.

&lt;em&gt;Xbox4NappyRash's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://xbox4nappyrash.blogspot.com/2008/03/being-prick-part-one_27.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;Being a prick (part one)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firstly Oli&#8230; have you thought about this much?</p>
<p>for me bottom line is if you have to use the &#8216;Paste&#8217; function, it ain&#8217;t no photograph.</p>
<p>cropping, zooming, even lighting at a stretch, but beyond that, it&#8217;s creating other art, not photography. In my bewildered opinion.</p>
<p><em>Xbox4NappyRash&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://xbox4nappyrash.blogspot.com/2008/03/being-prick-part-one_27.html' >Being a prick (part one)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Angie @ Many Little Blessings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie @ Many Little Blessings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even back before photoshop, photographers often did a lot of post processing -- it was just done in a dark room instead of on a computer.  I think the big difference now is that just about anyone with a computer can tweak their own photographs.

I agree with others -- I think when it gets past being realistic, then it's too far.  I used to do portrait photography, and of course I got rid of blemishes and bruises, but I would never do what many other photographers I knew were doing -- making people look drastically different than reality.  I think it's one thing to enhance, and a total other thing to totally change someone/something.

&lt;em&gt;Angie @ Many Little Blessings's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://randomangie.blogspot.com/2008/03/13-games-i-have-managed-to-play.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;13 Games I have Managed to Play Obsessively (Thursday Thirteen #7)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even back before photoshop, photographers often did a lot of post processing &#8212; it was just done in a dark room instead of on a computer.  I think the big difference now is that just about anyone with a computer can tweak their own photographs.</p>
<p>I agree with others &#8212; I think when it gets past being realistic, then it&#8217;s too far.  I used to do portrait photography, and of course I got rid of blemishes and bruises, but I would never do what many other photographers I knew were doing &#8212; making people look drastically different than reality.  I think it&#8217;s one thing to enhance, and a total other thing to totally change someone/something.</p>
<p><em>Angie @ Many Little Blessings&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://randomangie.blogspot.com/2008/03/13-games-i-have-managed-to-play.html' >13 Games I have Managed to Play Obsessively (Thursday Thirteen #7)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Avitable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avitable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if it's for a photography contest, there have to be limitations.  But when I take photos, I do so knowing that I can go in with Photoshop, remove people, enlarge penis sizes, etc.  I think that manipulating it to the image you want is just like telling a story a particular way that you want, and since this is your blog, you should feel free to manipulate away.

&lt;em&gt;Avitable's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/avitable/~3/259405635/' rel="nofollow"&gt;Don't you hate?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if it&#8217;s for a photography contest, there have to be limitations.  But when I take photos, I do so knowing that I can go in with Photoshop, remove people, enlarge penis sizes, etc.  I think that manipulating it to the image you want is just like telling a story a particular way that you want, and since this is your blog, you should feel free to manipulate away.</p>
<p><em>Avitable&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/avitable/~3/259405635/' >Don&#8217;t you hate?</a></em></p>
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