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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32049</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your concern. For what it&#039;s worth, I think it&#039;s a great photo and I can see why you doctored it. Most of the time I just enhance the photo with sharpening and contrast, etc. I don&#039;t have graphics skills like you do, or I&#039;d likely be doctoring my photos, too.

&lt;em&gt;Karl&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/260310697/schwinging-from-the-chandaliers.html&#039;&gt;Schwinging From the Chandaliers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your concern. For what it&#8217;s worth, I think it&#8217;s a great photo and I can see why you doctored it. Most of the time I just enhance the photo with sharpening and contrast, etc. I don&#8217;t have graphics skills like you do, or I&#8217;d likely be doctoring my photos, too.</p>
<p><em>Karl&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/260310697/schwinging-from-the-chandaliers.html'>Schwinging From the Chandaliers</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: bon bon</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32048</link>
		<dc:creator>bon bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i try to take Angie&#039;s point to heart. if it could&#039;ve easily been done prior to photoshop, cropping, dodge &amp; burn, etc. it&#039;s fair game. and you could&#039;ve achieved that with the zebra shot without moving him. the composition may not have been as perfect as you wanted, but you would have a photo you took as opposed to generated.

that said, i&#039;m never anything but original...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/

&lt;em&gt;bon bon&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://phantom-kitty.blogspot.com/2008/03/seriously.html&#039;&gt;seriously?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i try to take Angie&#8217;s point to heart. if it could&#8217;ve easily been done prior to photoshop, cropping, dodge &amp; burn, etc. it&#8217;s fair game. and you could&#8217;ve achieved that with the zebra shot without moving him. the composition may not have been as perfect as you wanted, but you would have a photo you took as opposed to generated.</p>
<p>that said, i&#8217;m never anything but original&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/phantomkitty/316874957/in/set-72157594474439088/</a></p>
<p><em>bon bon&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://phantom-kitty.blogspot.com/2008/03/seriously.html'>seriously?</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Ed (zoesdad)</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed (zoesdad)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Jeff&#039;s idea of a disclaimer.  There&#039;s a line there and I suppose I&#039;ve always been a purist.  I&#039;ve tried some photoshop stuff but 1) I&#039;ve got an old/cheap version and 2) My results are similar to what Whit described (scissors and paste) and 3) I suppose my strongest argument against too much editing--I ain&#039;t got the time!

&lt;em&gt;Ed (zoesdad)&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://zoesdad.com/2008/03/28/alright-already--ill-feed-the-birds.aspx&#039;&gt;Alright, Already!  I&#039;ll Feed the Birds!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Jeff&#8217;s idea of a disclaimer.  There&#8217;s a line there and I suppose I&#8217;ve always been a purist.  I&#8217;ve tried some photoshop stuff but 1) I&#8217;ve got an old/cheap version and 2) My results are similar to what Whit described (scissors and paste) and 3) I suppose my strongest argument against too much editing&#8211;I ain&#8217;t got the time!</p>
<p><em>Ed (zoesdad)&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://zoesdad.com/2008/03/28/alright-already--ill-feed-the-birds.aspx'>Alright, Already!  I&#8217;ll Feed the Birds!!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Above Average Joe</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32023</link>
		<dc:creator>Above Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can imagine, I been stimulating myself alot lately, too.

Maybe you don&#039;t want to imagine that, sorry.

&lt;em&gt;Above Average Joe&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://averagejoe762.blogspot.com/2008/03/kicking-man-while-hes-down.html&#039;&gt;Kicking A Man While He&#039;s Down&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can imagine, I been stimulating myself alot lately, too.</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t want to imagine that, sorry.</p>
<p><em>Above Average Joe&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://averagejoe762.blogspot.com/2008/03/kicking-man-while-hes-down.html'>Kicking A Man While He&#8217;s Down</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Gabriella</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32021</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by my site earlier.  You are right keeping the house neat &amp; tidy for buyers is agony!! 

I absolutely love your photos, you take wonderful pictures.  It&#039;s something I always wish I could do better, but I suppose I&#039;d have to buy a decent camera first ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by my site earlier.  You are right keeping the house neat &amp; tidy for buyers is agony!! </p>
<p>I absolutely love your photos, you take wonderful pictures.  It&#8217;s something I always wish I could do better, but I suppose I&#8217;d have to buy a decent camera first ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Karen MEG (Pomtini)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen MEG (Pomtini)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful photo. 

You raise a very good question.  I suppose it all depends on what context you&#039;re presenting your photo/art.  There is very little these days that is unedited, untouched, truly natural.

But self-stimulation, totally natural.

&lt;em&gt;Karen MEG (Pomtini)&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://gliks.blogspot.com/2008/03/fashion-friday-haiku.html&#039;&gt;Fashion Friday - Haiku&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful photo. </p>
<p>You raise a very good question.  I suppose it all depends on what context you&#8217;re presenting your photo/art.  There is very little these days that is unedited, untouched, truly natural.</p>
<p>But self-stimulation, totally natural.</p>
<p><em>Karen MEG (Pomtini)&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://gliks.blogspot.com/2008/03/fashion-friday-haiku.html'>Fashion Friday &#8211; Haiku</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how my 365 has prompted, at least in part, two separate bloggers to post in the span of one day (Check out http://zoesdad.com ) for the other....

I agree with much of what was said here.  I didn&#039;t even have photoshop until a few weeks ago, and now I am tempted to do more than I should with my photos.

My recent photo of a goldfinch at my backyard feeder was straightened (I had to hurry the picture as the little critters always fly away when I take the camera out!) and I had no issue with that.  I have tweaked color and such a bit here and there otherwise but not much more.  I did a couple selective color shots, but those are very obvious that they have been altered so it&#039;s not like anyone is getting tricked.

All in all, unless you are specifically presenting something as an unaltered shot I say fair game, but there is definitely a line where something becomes more than a photo.  Not that it&#039;s a necessarily a bad thing.

&lt;em&gt;PG&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/annoyinglyboring/~3/259408523/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Project 365 // Day 55&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how my 365 has prompted, at least in part, two separate bloggers to post in the span of one day (Check out <a href="http://zoesdad.com" rel="nofollow">http://zoesdad.com</a> ) for the other&#8230;.</p>
<p>I agree with much of what was said here.  I didn&#8217;t even have photoshop until a few weeks ago, and now I am tempted to do more than I should with my photos.</p>
<p>My recent photo of a goldfinch at my backyard feeder was straightened (I had to hurry the picture as the little critters always fly away when I take the camera out!) and I had no issue with that.  I have tweaked color and such a bit here and there otherwise but not much more.  I did a couple selective color shots, but those are very obvious that they have been altered so it&#8217;s not like anyone is getting tricked.</p>
<p>All in all, unless you are specifically presenting something as an unaltered shot I say fair game, but there is definitely a line where something becomes more than a photo.  Not that it&#8217;s a necessarily a bad thing.</p>
<p><em>PG&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/annoyinglyboring/~3/259408523/' rel="nofollow">Project 365 // Day 55</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Xbox4NappyRash</title>
		<link>http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/767/comment-page-1#comment-32004</link>
		<dc:creator>Xbox4NappyRash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firstly Oli... have you thought about this much?

for me bottom line is if you have to use the &#039;Paste&#039; function, it ain&#039;t no photograph.

cropping, zooming, even lighting at a stretch, but beyond that, it&#039;s creating other art, not photography. In my bewildered opinion.

&lt;em&gt;Xbox4NappyRash&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://xbox4nappyrash.blogspot.com/2008/03/being-prick-part-one_27.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Being a prick (part one)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firstly Oli&#8230; have you thought about this much?</p>
<p>for me bottom line is if you have to use the &#8216;Paste&#8217; function, it ain&#8217;t no photograph.</p>
<p>cropping, zooming, even lighting at a stretch, but beyond that, it&#8217;s creating other art, not photography. In my bewildered opinion.</p>
<p><em>Xbox4NappyRash&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://xbox4nappyrash.blogspot.com/2008/03/being-prick-part-one_27.html' rel="nofollow">Being a prick (part one)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Angie @ Many Little Blessings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie @ Many Little Blessings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even back before photoshop, photographers often did a lot of post processing -- it was just done in a dark room instead of on a computer.  I think the big difference now is that just about anyone with a computer can tweak their own photographs.

I agree with others -- I think when it gets past being realistic, then it&#039;s too far.  I used to do portrait photography, and of course I got rid of blemishes and bruises, but I would never do what many other photographers I knew were doing -- making people look drastically different than reality.  I think it&#039;s one thing to enhance, and a total other thing to totally change someone/something.

&lt;em&gt;Angie @ Many Little Blessings&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://randomangie.blogspot.com/2008/03/13-games-i-have-managed-to-play.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;13 Games I have Managed to Play Obsessively (Thursday Thirteen #7)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even back before photoshop, photographers often did a lot of post processing &#8212; it was just done in a dark room instead of on a computer.  I think the big difference now is that just about anyone with a computer can tweak their own photographs.</p>
<p>I agree with others &#8212; I think when it gets past being realistic, then it&#8217;s too far.  I used to do portrait photography, and of course I got rid of blemishes and bruises, but I would never do what many other photographers I knew were doing &#8212; making people look drastically different than reality.  I think it&#8217;s one thing to enhance, and a total other thing to totally change someone/something.</p>
<p><em>Angie @ Many Little Blessings&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://randomangie.blogspot.com/2008/03/13-games-i-have-managed-to-play.html' rel="nofollow">13 Games I have Managed to Play Obsessively (Thursday Thirteen #7)</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Avitable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avitable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if it&#039;s for a photography contest, there have to be limitations.  But when I take photos, I do so knowing that I can go in with Photoshop, remove people, enlarge penis sizes, etc.  I think that manipulating it to the image you want is just like telling a story a particular way that you want, and since this is your blog, you should feel free to manipulate away.

&lt;em&gt;Avitable&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/avitable/~3/259405635/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t you hate?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if it&#8217;s for a photography contest, there have to be limitations.  But when I take photos, I do so knowing that I can go in with Photoshop, remove people, enlarge penis sizes, etc.  I think that manipulating it to the image you want is just like telling a story a particular way that you want, and since this is your blog, you should feel free to manipulate away.</p>
<p><em>Avitable&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/avitable/~3/259405635/' rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t you hate?</a></em></p>
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